Comments on: Portland cycling community weighs in on new bridge /news/2009/10/26/portland-cycling-community-weighs-in-on-new-bridge/ Building and Construction News in Portland, Oregon and the Pacific Northwest Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:15:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.6 By: David Loftus /news/2009/10/26/portland-cycling-community-weighs-in-on-new-bridge/#comment-2837 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:15:28 +0000 /?p=42889#comment-2837 Brian:

Even if we posit that a greater percentage of bicycle riders do not observe traffic laws, which I’m willing to grant, I still see a far greater number of automobile drivers breaking the law and failing to observe the rules of the road. This is important, because they can do a lot more damage when they screw up.

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By: jr /news/2009/10/26/portland-cycling-community-weighs-in-on-new-bridge/#comment-2810 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:04:40 +0000 /?p=42889#comment-2810 Wow.
You must understand that road infrastructure money comes largely from property taxes, income taxes and sales taxes. (92%). All people paying these taxes are subsidizing road infrastructure and maintenance regardless of whether they move by foot/bicycle/car/.

Jake- This is also a pedestrian bridge. Are you suggesting that walking is a minority activity? Do you have legs? Lots of people do. I would estimate that the majority of people in Oregon can walk and it is their primary mode of moving around.
As for licensing cyclists to pay for this infrastructure; “they” already do via the aforementioned taxes. I use quotes because almost all adults riding bicycles also drive cars. There is no “they”, there is just “us”. So a more reasonable solution is to have people using cars pay a fair share since “they” cause more wear and tear, cause more collisions, cause more air/water/ground pollution and require a lot more space. By your own logic, you owe those that choose a bike a great deal in unused subsidy monies. For that matter, you need to quit parking your private property on the public right of way that I am paying for.

Besides, do the math. Even using the high estimates of 8% of portlanders commuting daily (around 50,000 based on population of 600,000), you’d gain a whopping million dollars if you taxed them $20/year which may be almost enough to pay for the licensing management. This model has been tried and tried in cities across the country for decades and it ALWAYS fails.

Ozzie- if you close off access to bicycles on Burnside and/or Morrison (where it is still closed to bike traffic) you displace all those people onto Hawthorne and Steel bridges. What’s the point? Creating higher bike traffic density so you have to wait longer in your car to turn right? Merely trying to inconvenience your neighbors? A better solution is to distribute the load of users across a wider area.So no, closing other bridges to bike traffic, especially those with existing infrastructure, is not reasonable.

Jack- The ones not paying their fair share are car users. Fuel subsidies keep the cost artificially low and as previously stated, all tax payers are funding auto infrastructure whether they drive 20k miles/year or 2 miles/year. Your argument quickly leads to higher usage fees to automobile drivers.
Driving a car is not a human right.
When the revolution comes, you will be on the losing end of it. Get with the program.
Start here:

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By: Jack Peek /news/2009/10/26/portland-cycling-community-weighs-in-on-new-bridge/#comment-2490 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 00:10:12 +0000 /?p=42889#comment-2490 It could also carry a future streetcar line, hence its title as a multi-use transit bridge. It is not purely a bike bridge.

You know, there is coming a day, when these idiots that promote this crap, will figure out, we are broke..B-R-O-K-E.

We are unable to print money out of this mess we are in now..LEFT OR RIGHT, we are broke.

Maybe a good old fashion revolution like the one 200 plus years ago is coming again.

No you lefty/progessives, I’m not calling for violence in the streets, yet in time, I’m very afraid, it will be promoted, because this tax an spend…limiting free speech crap that is coming out of DC now, is a small match in front of millions of people carrying a gallon of gas labeled. enough is enough.

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By: Jack Peek /news/2009/10/26/portland-cycling-community-weighs-in-on-new-bridge/#comment-2489 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:26:38 +0000 /?p=42889#comment-2489 My insurance guy is starting to track some bike vs car..bike vs the old fashion walker types…and the newest bike vs bike accidents.

Somebody isn’t paying their fair share, wonder who that might be?

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By: Ozzie /news/2009/10/26/portland-cycling-community-weighs-in-on-new-bridge/#comment-2483 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:05:08 +0000 /?p=42889#comment-2483 As this new bridge will exclude automobile traffic, is it reasonable to pick either the Morrison or Burnside Bridge and exclude bicycle traffic from one of those bridges? I mean, you, keeping Portland ‘weird’ and all.

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By: Brian /news/2009/10/26/portland-cycling-community-weighs-in-on-new-bridge/#comment-2412 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:39:35 +0000 /?p=42889#comment-2412 Jake has a great idea…. Unfortunately, bicyclists are an entitled crowd. They don’t feel that they even have to obey traffic laws so why should they pay for a license?

Keep Portland Mediocre

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By: Nathalie Weinstein /news/2009/10/26/portland-cycling-community-weighs-in-on-new-bridge/#comment-2182 Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:13:57 +0000 /?p=42889#comment-2182 The main purpose of this bridge is to bring the new Orange line MAX from PSU across the river into Milwaukie and Clackamas County. TriMet has included cyclist and pedestrian paths on this bridge in accordance with the city’s goals to encourage alternate forms of transportation. It could also carry a future streetcar line, hence its title as a multi-use transit bridge. It is not purely a bike bridge.

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By: jake /news/2009/10/26/portland-cycling-community-weighs-in-on-new-bridge/#comment-2180 Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:33:08 +0000 /?p=42889#comment-2180 Since we’re spending so much money on a form of transporation used by a minority of portlander’s the city needs to require licenses for bicycles using city streets to recoup those costs. It’s crap that these freeloaders get a new bridge.

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By: Nathalie Weinstein /news/2009/10/26/portland-cycling-community-weighs-in-on-new-bridge/#comment-2024 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:48:43 +0000 /?p=42889#comment-2024 I found this blog post that discusses Kelly Butte Park at length. Sounds like an interesting place, historically speaking. I never knew there was an abandoned nuclear bunker there.

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By: Sightseer /news/2009/10/26/portland-cycling-community-weighs-in-on-new-bridge/#comment-1973 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:51:01 +0000 /?p=42889#comment-1973 Have you ever heard of anyone riding a bicycle in Kelly Butte Park? I have heard its a pretty scary place

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