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The serious flaw in your desire for LRT to Vancouver and Ridgefield is that it would access downtown Portland by the very slow Yellow Line route down Interstate Avenue.

Using a city street with frequent at grade street crossings limits the speed that LR trains can travel. If the proposed Minimum Operable Segment is built as designed there will be fourteen stops between the Clark College terminus and the first Portland CBD station at Union Station and another before to PCC. Each of those stops north of Interstate Rose Quarter takes about 45 seconds, and IRQ and the downtown ones at LEAST a minute. That means that the train will be sitting still for a minimum of twelve minutes just getting to Pioneer Square. The congestion of trains on the Steel Bridge further slows travel between Union Station and IRQ; Yellow Line trains are often delayed for two minutes at IRQ or Union Station waiting for a “slot” crossing the bridge. And they creep through the silly tangle of curves between the bridge and the Union Station stops.

Since there would have to be another four or five stations out to 134th, it would be an additional three to four minutes sitting for riders from North Clark County.

The Yellow Line as constructed and operated can not serve as a “Regional Light Metro” as do the other lines with their high speeds along I-84 and through the Robertson Tunnel. Because of the slow passage between Goose Hollow and Lloyd Center, they don’t do a good job of providing a commute between east Portland and the Tech Corridor, but they do get people to the Portland CBD from fairly far out quickly.

But worst of all, until a tunnel under the Willamette is constructed to handle the east-west trunk line trains (which will up their “regional” abilities a lot), the actual headway on the Yellow Line can’t be improved to less than six minutes at the peak hour. Since about half the capacity of the line must be reserved for riders between the CBD and North Portland, that means that the Clark County riders will get AT MOST ten light rail cars in the peak direction they can fill per hour at the peak.

It’s absurd to spend the amount of money it will require to bring Max over the river for a crush load of 2000 to 2400 people per hour.

Now if Portland wants those of us in Clark County to ride Max badly enough to provide that tunnel for Red and Blue trains so that the Yellow Line has quick and free access to the Steel Bridge maybe we can talk about perhaps providing some peak hour express trains that make only say three stops between Jantzen Beach and Union Station (say Delta Park, Lombard, and Overlook for the hospital).

Until firm plans for such a tunnel are in hand, Max across the CRC is a huge waste of money. Better to provide 24/7 HOV and frequent express bus service. It will be far faster and more cost effective, even though buses are more expensive to operate because of driver costs. One can buy a lot of bus hours for three quarters of a billion dollars.

I think Alfred nailed it for the most part. Get people out of cars and onto rail lines and buses and the commerce problem is addressed for a long time to come. I live in the Salmon Creek area of Vancouver. I moved from Portland six years ago. I wish I hadn’t. Sure I’d have a smaller house, less yard, and a bit more traffic around my house. But hind site being 20/20 I might be happier. Currently we can’t do ANYTHING as a family without a car. We have to take our car to go for a bike ride! Where we used to live in North Portland we could walk or ride to the park, rose gardens, stores, restaurants etc. Now we are one of many in a sea of houses. Sure the schools are great but at what cost? I commute by car to the inner east side of Ptown. From my place in NoPo it was about 15 minutes. Now it’s a half our MINIMUM which doesn’t seem bad except I have switched my schedule to a very early shift to avoid traffic. I’m at work by 6AM. If I worked at 8 like the rest of my coworkers (and I used to)? It would be an hour. I’m very dubious about the quote in this story from the guy that says his commute from Ridgefield is 20 mins. Is he a longshoreman that just goes to Marine Dr at 4AM or something?

Lastly jobs… I would love a Job in Vancouver. It would totally change my life. My commute would be easier. I’d spend more time at home and less time schlepping on the (not)freeway. I’d stop giving 9% to a state I don’t live in. There are a multitude of reasons for me to work in WA. Unfortunately there are not jobs. I like Tim Leavitt but the question I would ask him is “what kinds of jobs are you talking about?”. I suspect if we got a bigger bridge and there was a big(ger) housing boom in Clark Co he and others would say ‘See? More constructions jobs, retail, food service…” etc etc. I work in IT and there isn’t squat in this county for me to do. I’m stuck.

Sure, Clark County/ Vancouver is a city of its own right, with jobs, industry, the port and the outlying and upcoming development in ridgefield, Battleground, Camas, LaCenter, even Woodland.

The traffic on the bridge also consists of trucks, service industry, regional meetings and all kinds of activity that support healthy commerce. The time lost in the transfer of good and people is enormous and very unproductive.

The plans include managing mass transportation for the regular commuters, and the transport of good and services. We need to treat it like a bottleneck in our larger metropolitan area. Let alone a bottle neck in I-5. Lets not forget it is a primary system that feeds from LA to Seattle.

I liken it to the floating bridge (520) across Lake Washington and the major investment in the I-90 corridor across Mercer Island. Where would they be now, had they not invested then…also consider the I-5 improvements thru downtown Seattle and the Convention center built over the freeway. For that matter, where would we be had we not invested in the Jackson bridge and I-205?

The problem here is that people act like the columbia river is aboundary between two worlds and two separate economic systems when in fact it is a larger metropolitan area, with a main arterial down the middle of both. Its essential that it keep moving.

The sprawl will sprawl anyway; growth will happen……..not addressing a significant bottleneck in our transportation and commerce systems, is irresponsible.

I suppose every voice and every opinion needs to be heard, but lets get on with it.