Comments on: Solarize Portland draws criticism /news/2010/03/24/solarize-portland-draws-criticism/ Building and Construction News in Portland, Oregon and the Pacific Northwest Fri, 08 Oct 2010 01:59:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.6 By: OPD Assignment « Robert Wager /news/2010/03/24/solarize-portland-draws-criticism/#comment-41708 Fri, 08 Oct 2010 01:59:28 +0000 /?p=49091#comment-41708 […] […]

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By: Joe /news/2010/03/24/solarize-portland-draws-criticism/#comment-34856 Tue, 03 Aug 2010 22:19:55 +0000 /?p=49091#comment-34856 So, you want the city, or state, taxpayers to subsidize your business because your business model can’t compete with a co-op?

Adapt, or go out of business and stop overcharging your customers.

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By: Matt Shernit /news/2010/03/24/solarize-portland-draws-criticism/#comment-22648 Tue, 11 May 2010 07:42:47 +0000 /?p=49091#comment-22648 I ran into a local solar installer, RS Energy, that is competing with the Solarize program directly and is having great success. These guys are offering solar at a much lower price than any of the Soalrize programs, $5.25 per watt, and are offering a 10 year installer warranty. Looks like bulk-buying programs are not the best deal in town. This company is worth checking out:

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By: Kim /news/2010/03/24/solarize-portland-draws-criticism/#comment-20043 Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:50:21 +0000 /?p=49091#comment-20043 As the owner of a small company, I have to say to the small solar installation companies.. be creative. Small companies are frequently left out in the cold because of staffing limitations. Understand you cannot do the work yourself and team with other small contractors to create a larger consortium that can be successfull in putting together a bid and perform the work. We’ve found out the hard way, that in a recession the consumer is not always able to support small companies with slightly higher pricing. However, buyer beware there needs to be checks in place that the contractor (Mr Sun), is capable of doing the work without cutting corners on quality. We’ve seen many times where a contractor is working beyond their capacity and the consumer suffers.

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By: Glenn Harris /news/2010/03/24/solarize-portland-draws-criticism/#comment-17740 Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:52:10 +0000 /?p=49091#comment-17740 I find it interesting that the homeowner initially thought he had a 20 year payback and that the reporter does not mention subsidies for solar outside of the Solarize Portland program. This must have been very early in both’s education process. The 30% federal unlimited tax credit, along with the state tax credit and the Energy Trust incentive creates very rapid payback for a consumer.

Any consumer who is doing a major home improvement would be foolish not to get 2 or 3 bids. With the radical change in pricing in solar PV over the past year it is very likely that a better performing, less expensive system can be purchased from a qualified contractor, even when compared to a “bulk buy” purchase.

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By: Scott Wolff /news/2010/03/24/solarize-portland-draws-criticism/#comment-17641 Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:09:51 +0000 /?p=49091#comment-17641 Multiple installations by neighboring homeowners is not new. On my street, a number of homeowners arranged for new roofs and were likely awarded discounts due to reduced transporation costs and guaranteed work. If costs can be reduced–for both the buyer and vendor (so that the vendor’s profit margin is comparable), how can that be a bad thing?

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By: Philip Lohrmann /news/2010/03/24/solarize-portland-draws-criticism/#comment-17589 Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:51:27 +0000 /?p=49091#comment-17589 As I’ve said re: Solarize NE, life is all a big experiment. Maybe one or two contractors loses out once in a while, but in the end we are drawing a much bigger picture. In the future could we find a way around the single contractor issue? Could we not give an option of multiple installers, just like Solar World gives you choices for the brand of your panels?

It seems to me that much of the savings is through the bulk purchase of panels, but if the program could buy and warehouse the equipment at bulk prices and sell them to installers in their project area – would that be a way to solve the issue?

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By: Todd Farris /news/2010/03/24/solarize-portland-draws-criticism/#comment-17161 Fri, 26 Mar 2010 07:27:09 +0000 /?p=49091#comment-17161 Koyaanisqatsi saw a 75% drop in business in 08-09. May I remind you that there was this thing called a recession? What business did not drop during that period?

Anyway, these numbers had nothing to do with the Solarization project that started in June of 2009. Koyaanisqatsi says the solarization project is not helping business, but I’m not sure where he is getting his facts. Current data from the Energy Trust of Oregon shows that non-Solarize installations increased over 350% during the Q4 of 2009 and Q1 of 2010 compared to the preceding year within the Portland area.

Solarize Portland is mobilizing community volunteers to get their neighborhoods educated about solar. Interest and awareness of solar power has never been higher. Massive demand has sustained manufacturing jobs in Oregon (Solarword, Sanyo and PV Power) and have caused the costs of solar to plummet for everyone.

Solarize Portland is not a race to the bottom in terms of price as Koyaanisqatsi suggests. The criteria for the contracts promote healthy business models with local family wage jobs and sustainable business practices – All that in conjunction with a good price.

Solarize Portland is not about a “herd mentality”. It’s called community organization; neighbors organizing to help their neighbors. These projects help to streamline a process that is complex, intimidating and expensive for the average person. We make it accessible to them. We teach them and help them to be informed so they can make the decision that is right for them. Then we help them to do something really good for Portland, something they might not otherwise do – go solar.

Do these effort results in a lower price for our neighbors? You bet! But that is because we have passionate volunteers doing the leg work. What better way to get more people to go solar then to make it cheap and easy?

The mission of Solar Energy Solutions (Koyaanisqatsi’s company) is “to move Portland, the Pacific Northwest and the rest of the world towards an environmentally sustainable future”. A PSA on their website says “Do your part to make out city more sustainable. Be an energy leader and go solar now”. Solarize Portland volunteers are being the leaders. We are making our city environmentally sustainable by organizing these not-for-profit volunteer driven initiatives. Koyaanisqatsi seems to be speaking out of both sides of his mouth going on the radio and contributing to articles that trash the very structures that are helping to realize his mission.

What’s Koyaanisqatsi strategy? Based on what he says in the article, he wants people get their own bids one at a time, and he “is sorry if people think solar is too expensive”, but he needs this to happened, not because he is fighting to promote his mission, but “for the life of his company”. But maybe he needs to evaluate his business model.

He says that the Solarization projects are leaving 30 companies in the cold, but 4 of the 12 applicants for the southwest contract were only created in the last few years. One relative newcomer just won 2 significant residential contracts not related to the solarize initiative. The industry is growing.

With his experience and public personality Koyaanisqatsi could amplify the wave of interests and excitement around solar. He could help solarize Oregon in a way that competes with world solar leaders like Germany and Japan. Instead Koyaanisqatsi drags his feet and denigrates this amazing community driven initiative.

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By: greenbro /news/2010/03/24/solarize-portland-draws-criticism/#comment-17150 Fri, 26 Mar 2010 05:26:53 +0000 /?p=49091#comment-17150 So if homeowners team up for “best price/value by buying bulk, independant contractors could also team up to provide best price/value by cooperating. Then everyone gets a piece of the action and everyone wins… There is no reason to not do this except because it is a new a different way to conduct buisness. Go for it and let the smart and progressives survive!

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By: Crescent Renewables /news/2010/03/24/solarize-portland-draws-criticism/#comment-17123 Fri, 26 Mar 2010 00:57:11 +0000 /?p=49091#comment-17123 It is certainly within a homeowners right to get other bids, but if you have a quality contractor offering you the best price in town as a result of a bulk purchase, why would you? Why waste another contractors time and resources when chances are their price cannot compete?
I really do sympathize with the issues caused for small businesses in this situation, but if the ultimate goal is solar on every roof, these programs are going to get us there much faster.

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