Comments on: Preservation efforts go beyond bottom line /news/2010/06/28/preservation-efforts-go-beyond-bottom-line/ Building and Construction News in Portland, Oregon and the Pacific Northwest Tue, 05 Apr 2016 17:21:24 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.6 By: Historic Astoria hotel foreclosed, but developer’s legacy lingers « Daily Journal of Commerce – Building and Construction News in Portland, Oregon and the Pacific Northwest /news/2010/06/28/preservation-efforts-go-beyond-bottom-line/#comment-31356 Fri, 09 Jul 2010 21:46:25 +0000 /?p=55618#comment-31356 […] I remembered a story written a week ago by Nathalie Weinstein, a reporter here at the 91ÊÓÆµ, about developers who take on these awesome preservation projects despite knowing ahead of time that they probably won’t make much […]

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By: Commercial real estate’s looming crisis and Architecture 2030’s renovation solution « Architects Directory /news/2010/06/28/preservation-efforts-go-beyond-bottom-line/#comment-30077 Wed, 30 Jun 2010 11:52:41 +0000 /?p=55618#comment-30077 […] renovation in the commercial real estate market. Nathalie Weinstein reports in Monday’s Daily Journal of Commerce on efforts by prominent developers like Art DeMuro of Venerable Properties, Brad Malsin of Beam […]

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By: Jean Mitchell /news/2010/06/28/preservation-efforts-go-beyond-bottom-line/#comment-30008 Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:05:13 +0000 /?p=55618#comment-30008 Thanks for the thoughts about developing old buildings. Helps to make us a bit informed. But please do not assume that all readers will know the meanings of
ROI, TIF and NMTC, for example.
I am thankful I live in a city that values old buildings, and involves the public in issues of saving them.

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By: Old Town /news/2010/06/28/preservation-efforts-go-beyond-bottom-line/#comment-29975 Tue, 29 Jun 2010 18:59:59 +0000 /?p=55618#comment-29975 There seems to be some assumption that building preservationists like Art DeMuro are not making a profit. Clearly that is incorrect. Could he make more profit by being a standard developer? Maybe, but everyone has a niche.

When the Brewery Blocks and the Armory were undertaken – the thought wasn’t ‘boy we are going to lose money on this project but let’s do it anyway.’ As “Edlen says his firm lost money on the brewery renovation, but the preservation work added value to the overall redevelopment of the Brewery Blocks, which have made money.”

One has to remember that the Armory has Edlen’s name on it because of the theater. And that armory was substantially supported by TIF dollars and the hijacking of the benefit of the census track that is nearly 99% in Old Town; thus giving him access to the NMTC and the financial rescuing of his building adjacent to the armory.

The University of Oregon buying into the move to the three buildings raises also issues of proper use of public money. One argument for rehab of old buildings is that it generates property taxes, jobs, etc. But these building do not generate property taxes nor did they create new jobs beneficial to the city. Frankly, despite the hype, they have not brought the ‘promised’ redevelopment of Old Town.

Are historic buildings important to the community? It seems easy to say yes, but what part of the community? Would it have made any particular impact on 99% of Portlanders if the buildings were demolished and a new development was put into its place?

Are these projects cost effective? That takes definition. A lot of public dollars go into these projects so the developers can make their profit. Thus, a developer profit is protected because the public subsidizes it. Developer welfare?

Is preservation too expensive. Dollar wise – yes. Without public subsidies, these projects would not provide a positive dollar return on the developer’s investment. It isn’t clear though that a ROI in terms of livability, or other intangible, exists, mostly because of difficulty in measurement.

For the preservationist developer – it is still the bottom line, a subsidized one.

A Perspective

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By: JC /news/2010/06/28/preservation-efforts-go-beyond-bottom-line/#comment-29947 Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:32:25 +0000 /?p=55618#comment-29947 Wow! That’s a really insightful look at what drives developers interested in historic preservation.

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By: Preservation efforts go beyond bottom line – Daily Journal of Commerce | Remodel Online /news/2010/06/28/preservation-efforts-go-beyond-bottom-line/#comment-29862 Mon, 28 Jun 2010 23:42:55 +0000 /?p=55618#comment-29862 […] See more here: Preservation efforts go beyond bottom line – Daily Journal of Commerce […]

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By: Poll: Would you preserve a historic building? « Daily Journal of Commerce – Building and Construction News in Portland, Oregon and the Pacific Northwest /news/2010/06/28/preservation-efforts-go-beyond-bottom-line/#comment-29860 Mon, 28 Jun 2010 23:42:09 +0000 /?p=55618#comment-29860 […] PM PT BY: Aaron Spencer Developers who take on historic preservation projects in Portland often don’t do it to make a lot of money. Instead, they preserve old buildings for their history and aesthetic or to maintain the character […]

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